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PostPosted: December 30th, 2020, 8:41 pm 
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Fritz, that doesn't really help me here... :(

Seriously though, Is that where you've landed on this?


Honestly, at this point I'm kind of dueling with more than one competing impulse.

On the one hand, we haven't seen the movie yet. We don't know exactly what's going to happen and exactly what the character's backstories will be.

But what we do know...well, can easily take us to some dark places. It's hard to make child abandonment funny--there's just no good answer I can see to the question of why they refer to Egon as the father Callie "never knew". That at least doesn't make Movie Egon look like some combination of scumbag and/or completely out of touch with his humanity.

Neither one is a direction I want.

Egon Spengler is one of my favorite fictional characters of all time...but I realized a long time ago that's probably more to the credit of J. Micheal Straczynski, Maurice LaMarche, and other licensee creators than Harold Ramis, Dan Aykroyd, and Ivan Reitman. After GB2 I just never found myself able to trust them again. I guess it's why I had to take a lot longer to warm up to the Video Game than practically everyone else. What we know of Afterlife is not helping a lot.

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Sorry...I had to rant a little bit. I'd get my ass torn off at GBFans for saying anything like that. Suggesting that this is going to be anything short of the at minimum the second-best Ghostbusters movie ever made is not a popular stand there.

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PostPosted: December 31st, 2020, 1:45 am 
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I feel the same as you do! It feels so good to know someone else is thinking it too!

I am very worried about it, and honestly, I wish I could be happier about it, but it's exactly like you described.

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PostPosted: January 1st, 2021, 7:13 pm 
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Random thought.
The west coast/ actor life is different than most. Maybe just the fact Egon paid child support faithfully is honorable to them, lol.

That's near minimum. Btw.

Another thought.

How would everyone feel if it turns out Callie is an illegitimate child. But we find out Egon and Janine did get married and that Elton was the son of E/J?

Maybe he is doing something more traditional in life, like an orthopedic surgeon or something and didn't need or want the house? Idk, just a thought. Maybe he shows up at the end ready to meet his half sister.

Trying to get that lemonade palatable, lol

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PostPosted: January 10th, 2021, 11:52 am 
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I won't lie - I have had the occasional wobble myself about all of this.

But I just don't think Egon would have left that house to someone he didn't know and trust to some degree. I mean, he's not stupid. He knows what's at that house, and yeah, I know it's all hidden away but still. He knows the danger in that area. He knows what's probably on the horizon so he'd leave it to someone he trusts to deal with the potential fallout at some point. Or, at least someone who already knows who to call when the fallout does happen.

This is what in my opinion blows the theory out of the water that a) Callie doesn't know her father and he doesn't know her, and that b) Callie's mother was either someone random he knocked up while in college or someone he donated sperm to (which, IMO, is the most stupidest theory of them all, because sperm donation should by all accounts be anonymous so how he even knew about Callie let alone chose her among the probably hundreds/thousands of other kids he's fathered through donation just does. not. make. any. sense what-so-freaking-ever!!!!)

'They have left everything they know and moved to a small town in Oklahoma after inheriting property from the father she didn’t know.' - Vanity Fair article

Yes, it does imply that Egon was a deadbeat dad. But it also could imply that Egon passed away when she was small and she never got a chance to get to know him.

First, let's go with the deadbeat dad theory, which I suppose is how you would take that article's sentence in the most literal sense.

Let's say he hooked up with some random student while he was in college or whatever, and knocked her up. He didn't know this kid existed until all of a sudden this random science chick who dug his epidiymus makes all the effort to find him waaaay out in the middle of nowheresville Oklahoma to tell him has a daughter somewhere, and he decides not to bother getting to know his daughter at all, leaves her and her mother in Chicago while he continues to do his thing, and then when he's writing his will he remembers to leave his house to her, filled to the brim with all his ghostbusters stuff, which conveniently is located very close to a mine which is suspiciously named for a guy who he knows opened a door to another dimension bringing in a deity that almost destroyed the City of New York. Gee, thanks, Dad. :lol:

According to this theory, if Egon was an a-hole who wasn't going to be a part of his kid's life voluntarily, why would he then decide to leave all of his belongings to her, including pretty dangerous equipment that he knew shouldn't be in the hands of people that he didn't trust or know well, on a site that has the potential to be ground zero for some pretty dangerous shit going down at some point? How would he know that this child of his won't sell all the crap they find and move elsewhere with the profits? How does he know that this child of his will be able to deal with the potential fallout from whatever might happen in Summersville?

Egon has taken the time and effort to locate this mine, buy property close to it so that he could keep an eye on it, hide all of his equipment on the property in case of emergency, and now he is just handing it over to someone he doesn't know when Ray Stantz is a friend, ex-colleague, and would know exactly what to do in the situation Egon has spent so much time monitoring. If Egon was alone, had no close family that he knew of, although knew he had an illegitimate child somewhere but didn't bother to get to know her, why would he chose to leave all of that to her rather than to Ray, a trusted friend and ex-colleague?

Now, let's go with the theory that Egon sadly passed away when Callie was too young to know her father.

There's two versions of this theory. Version 1) Callie's mother was a random ex-student of his from back in University. A science chick who was interested in his epididymus. They hook up again sometime after the events of GB2 while Callie is very young, long enough for Egon to get to know his daughter a little. But he passes away while she's still a young child.

This is where Callie's mother's role becomes important. Again, if he didn't trust Callie to take on the responsibility of that house and everything inside it, then he'd leave it to Ray, wouldn't he? He would have to also trust this science chick with the contents of the house, enough to assist Callie with it after he's passed away. He expects Callie's mother to be there with Callie after he's passed away. She's probably younger than him, after all. I think it's the same with most families. You'd expect the other half to be around to help deal with things after you pass on. But if this science student knows nothing about the business, knows nothing about all the equipment, why again would he leave the house to them, placing them both potentially in a hell of a lot of danger?

Unless... Version 2) Callie's mother was Janine Melnitz. Former ghostbusters secretary. Someone who knows the business like the back of her hand. Someone who knows what the equipment does, and how it is used. Someone who knows when the shit does go down, who they would need to call... If Janine was bringing up their child, he'd expect her to have told Callie about the business, maybe let them know about the house and its secrets, and most importantly, let Callie know who to call when the proverbial hits the fan.

Why Janine is absent or didn't do any of this is unclear. Maybe she was taken ill. Maybe she's incapacitated somehow. Maybe she was targeted by someone. Maybe people think she's crazy and sent her to a retirement home because she's talking about strange mines in the middle of Oklahoma somewhere...

The fact remains that IMO Egon would know Callie existed, know her well enough to trust her (or someone she knows well) with dangerous equipment and the potential fallout from the mine's activity, otherwise he'd have passed that house onto someone else.

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PostPosted: January 15th, 2021, 3:52 pm 
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I've spent a few days thinking if there's anything I want to add to that post...not sure I really can, but here I go anyway.

I realize there's lots of people out there who will be happy with anything with the Ghostbusters name on it as long as (most) of the original four are in it somewhere. I'm not one of them.

Maybe it's age. Maybe it's being an amateur writer myself. Those together create dangers of "I've seen something like this done better" and "This sure the hell isn't the way I'd want to do it."

Again, I hope that Afterlife isn't going to basically assassinate Egon's character. I just expect that's exactly what's going to happen.

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PostPosted: January 16th, 2021, 12:27 am 
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So basically, we all feel like there's no obvious plot of the story that will have everything end up satisfactorily?

Dang.

I was really hoping someone would think of something.

And Fritz, as far as fans that'd be happy with anything in the original universe, but I am also not one of them. I WANT to be happy with it, but I don't want my lifelong hero to end up a guy that refused to raise his kid for whatever reason.

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PostPosted: January 19th, 2021, 8:55 pm 
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So I was reading some thoughts on this on Facebook. And it got me thinking about it, and I came up with a good idea that would be satisfactory to me.

What if Callie gets this mysterious inheritance letter in the mail, from a father she never met, said to be Egon, because she was adopted as a baby.

So, she needs the house and moves to Summerville, which is still secretly run by the Gozer cult.

The family then finds all of the things. The kids work on being GBs, but Callie is kidnapped by the cult.

She then finds out that the cult sent her the letter of inheritance and Egon is NOT her father.

They explain to her that her parents are Louis and Dana, from the union on the rooftop. Dana gave her up.

But the cult knew about her and had been keeping an eye on her her whole life. Once Egon passed, and the house was vacant, Louis showed up to do legal stuff, and once he was there in the clutches of the energy of the mine, he was repossessed and sent the letter to Callie to lure her there.

She is wanted to be an offering to reopen the gateway for Gozer.

The kids figure things out and call the guys, who save their mother, and Callie gets to meet her birth mom.

I like this soooooo much better!

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PostPosted: January 22nd, 2021, 9:37 am 
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Here we go again

New penciled in release date is November 11,2021.

At this point, it's probably light pencil.

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I'm so glad these critters are set to be devious little shits. :) The chaotic energy they give is also kinda reminiscent of all the tiny Slimers in Adventures in Slime and Space.

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