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PostPosted: July 3rd, 2019, 9:46 am 
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Thank you as always for the comments.

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Interesting reveal that Emilia provided Oscar and Kevin's egg. As Oscar's half-sister, that does mean that Oscar's child will have some biological relation to him. Jessica's a lot closer, but that may have been the problem.


Besides all the other interesting aspects of this, it's one of those things in the spot-the-difference game that one can play with this stuff: I can't see GBOT Emilia doing anything like this. She's more of a villain, really, and a bit of a homophobic one at that!

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Jamie's new love interest is trans. Handled well as far as I can see.


I hope so! I've worried about it a little bit since reading a book review or two in which people (younger and more enlightened than I am) complain (if that's the right word! :?) about the representation of LGBTQ+ characters, but I don't suppose any of them are going to read this! Personally, I think it's okay to present this information as a revelation to Carl, as it's important to his characterisation. A canny reader might have already worked it out from Part 1 anyway, and the particularly eagle-eyed might even see it in Isabel's Character Index picture, wherein her biological gender can be discerned...

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Carl's reaction to Isabella...well, twenty years earlier it would have been a lot worse. He's trying, but I don't think that instinctive first "ungh" reaction to things not being exactly like he thinks they "should" be will ever go away. It's not optimum, but it's in character. Delightfully ironic that he's the old stick in the mud in the middle of a very sexually diverse family, all told.


Another thing that worried me (I do seem to worry these days!) was whether I was giving Carl what Jake calls a 'reset button' (hello, Dana Scully!), but I think that one was in fact completely unfounded. This whole story really shows how Carl has changed and what he's had to overcome, some of which - as you say, Fritz - is inevitably still there.

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Rose and the girlie mags: what this is hinting at is not a surprise based on the GBOT version of the character, who marries a woman in 2027.


Yep, no difference in terms of what Rose is into (nor Conchita, come to that), but she is discovering things differently and sooner than she did in GBOT. Truth to tell, I probably wouldn't have bothered referencing this if I'd known I was going to have more ideas to write up (ooh, mysterious hints... ;)), but it fits in quite well thematically with this story so I guess it's okay.

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The mention of someone named "John" got my attention, of course, but unless it ends up being important to the story, no need to go into more.


Jake already said it: the story will neither confirm nor deny exactly who John is (it's a suitably common name, after all :P). Personally, I like to think this does refer to John Spengler, but I also want to leave it ambiguous for readers who are thoroughbred EGB fans and not familiar with the GBOT (at least one or two do exist - I've had messages to prove it... honest!).

This story will be concluded on my birthday, July 19th, and very fascinating it will be too. :)

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PostPosted: July 19th, 2019, 8:39 am 
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Summer Special: As Children Grow - Part 3, by me, with additional material by Jake.

Relationships are tested as events finally come to a head. Rose fights her demons, Conchita takes a chance, and Carl and James come to understand each other more fully.

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Summer Special: As Children Grow - Part 3, by me, with additional material by Jake.

Relationships are tested as events finally come to a head. Rose fights her demons, Conchita takes a chance, and Carl and James come to understand each other more fully.


A very satisfying conclusion. Carl will never be completely "woke" but as Eduardo points out in-story he's come a long way, and is going to keep trying to get better.

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Sarah's been there since my day, and she was always wanting to try out her crazy experiments on herself to prove they worked. Any day now, she's going to inject herself with this serum, and the Ghostbusters will find themselves in some kind of a Mr Hyde situation or something.'


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'I just got a call from John – he said Sarah's turned herself into a giant slug or something.'


I swear I keep picturing Holtzmann from GB2016 in my head when I read this stuff. :lol:

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As promised, here is my analysis about Carl and his two sons. What we've ended up with is a situation where Kevin and James both tried to keep the other one's world from falling apart by not mentioning the truth about Carl. In both cases, the reason for this attempt at fraternal protection was not that either thought the other was actually in danger of being homophobically abused in any way by Carl, but rather that neither brother wanted the other to think badly of their father. Personally, I find this rather powerful - the very epitome of the son (or sons, in this case) doing more than the father, and thus the human race grows and develops for the better.

The under-the-truck scene turned out very well in the end, with Kevin and James laying out their feelings fully and honestly, thus helping each other to reach as good a place as possible after this series of unfortunate events. Thanks to the tremendous effort Carl has put in to being a better father and a better person, he certainly deserves to have a good relationship with both his sons (and both his nieces, come to that) going forward from this point.

The observation about people (particularly teenagers) nowadays being blinkered about social, cultural and historical context outside their own time very much rings true with me, and I'm in the same camp as Kevin and Rose when it comes to labelling people, i.e. I don't feel the need to do it to myself or others and I think there are now far too many labels for most of them to hold any real meaning.

Here are some exciting things that are at least hinted at in the Summer Special that we will be coming back to: James/Harry, James/Isabel, Josh/Conchita, James/unnamed girlfriend, Conchita/unnamed boyfriend(s), Rose/?, Rose's best friend in Florida, Rose's friend Lucie Jackson and her brother Adam, Rose and Kevin as special cousins, Conchita and James as special cousins, Isabel/Conchita/James as a friendship group, Eduardo's role as Head Field Ghostbuster, how and when Kevin and Oscar ended up moving into Eduardo's old apartment, Lucy's surrogate pregnancy, Ella's quest for motherhood and, of course, those complicated Wallance/Venkman family dynamics.

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PostPosted: July 23rd, 2019, 2:01 pm 
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I think this story turned out well in the end too. Man, it was HARD to write! There are topics that have to be sensitively handled here (and I just know there are people out there who would disapprove of how I revealed that information about Isabel!); a few conversations had to be altered more than twice so characters (not Carl!) didn't seem unreasonable and/or jerks, and I had to have Eduardo talk through whether his feelings towards Carl were hypocritical because I wasn't sure if mine were! But together we reached the conclusion that it's okay to sympathise with Carl as long as he's trying as hard as he possibly can.

As Jake says, there's plenty more to come, including (as Jake does not say) some opportunities for the younger generation to make digs at the older, and thus make up for that comment about young people these days. I try not to let fictional characters get bogged down in my own personal opinions e.g. I'm not sure how far I agree or disagree with Rose and Kevin about labels, but Conchita can certainly be seen to disagree, and we could all do a lot worse than to be like her (in terms of our outlook and behaviour, that is; we can't all be beautiful).

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